This is really a rhetorical question because I am convinced that the program (Hearts card game) by Microsoft DOES in fact cheat.I first noticed it on XP. But, I've REALLY noticed it on Vista. Here is what I mean.
I've played X amount of games. The game keeps track of overall stats. Whenever I go over a 38% win rate (which isn't really all that hot but it's respectable) the program starts to gain up on me and kick my ass. I mean, seriously. I get dealt hands that NO ONE could do anything with. I will lose over and over again; then, once I drop back down to 37%, I will start to win again (I'll be dealt hands that any idiot could shoot the moon with).
This has happened over and over again. I cannot get past 38%!
I looked this up on Google and someone said, "Well, I don't think it is cheating, rather, like with "real" people, once one person starts to get ahead, the computer might attempt to "gang up on you".
Ok, this is true. If you are playing with REAL people that are half-way respectable, they will, in likelihood, "gang up on you" if you are out ahead.
But, this is NOT what happens with the program. No, not at all. First off, "real people" can't deal you particular rotten hands over and over and over again. And, "real people" won't allow someone else to shoot the moon just to get YOU (not in my experience, anyway). But, the program continually allows one of the other players to shoot the moon (whilst I sit by unable to stop them and watch my opponents throw the Ace of Hearts or something on someone trying to shoot the moon...I mean...DUH!)
Obviously, this blog entry is meant to be somewhat mindless. A ramble, a rant. Man, this pisses me off, though, which is why I am writing about it.
I played one game this afternoon and just hit 38% AGAIN. Any guesses as to who will NOT win the next game?
Mrs. B
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«Oldest ‹Older 1201 – 1400 of 1588 Newer› Newest»The program doesn't cheat - at least not the Windows 7 version. The computer actually follows a pretty simple algorithm that is easy to exploit. Some people are making it out to be a lot more complex that it really is.
The computer does two things well in the game: it hunts down the queen early in the hand and it knows exactly which card to play late in the hand by counting cards. The former means that you will get stuck occasionally with the queen ever with perfect play, and the latter means the computer will sometimes know what cards you hold. Any good human player will use these methods, though the computer sometimes takes it to extremes.
You should be able to win at least 60% of your game by learning how the computer plays. For example, it will always pass the A,K,Q of spades when it is dealt to them. It will also hold on their highest heart until two players have taken points as a defense against a moon shot. From what I can tell it never actively tries to shoot the moon but will get there by accident as the other players are so poor at stopping a run. You have to put it on yourself to stop such a run.
In terms of deals, they appear to be random. I thought for a while that certain combinations were coming up too often, such as the 2-3-4-5 of hearts play. But when I actually kept some stats over a while it all added up. I think it's just that when you play a lot of hands you tend to remember those where you get unlucky and forget all hands in between. And hearts is such a game where luck plays a big factor even with good play.
Sorry to disagree - but the deals are NOT random - and thus the game cheats. Write down the singletons - there is a one-in-52 chance that the QS will show up most frequently . Will you give me 50 to 1 odds for $1,000 that any card other than the QS is the most frequent singleton? My offer is open to anyone. I'm taking one, specific card, you get any of the rest of the deck. Double the odds and I'll wager the QS shows up as a singleton on the no-pass hand more often than any other card shows up on any deal. Those are some great odds - any takers? If not, I don't want to hear any "fair deal" claims.
I'm completely serious about the QS as a singleton. No money need be involved, but I would love to have anyone post here that they were dealt any card other than the QS as a singleton more often.
Another standing bet I proposed is that I will pay x-amount for each time you are dealt the 2H, you pay x-amount each time you are dealt the 5H OR QS (your choice.) Until someone is willing to take one of these bets, any claim of a true, random deal will be met with mt derision.
I think just a few million(out of billions possible) hands are programed into the game and an unrealistic percentage of "bad" hands were included.
I played a recent game in which I was dealt all four aces in one hand (400-1 odds), three "cutesy plays (5,4,3,2 of hearts - over 30-1 odds each) and a singleton QS on a no-pass hand. A math whiz friend of mine said those hands occuring in one game increase the odds exponentially and would probably be hundreds of millions to one, more games than a hundred people could play in a lifetime playing 24/7.
I've just finished my 2,000th game. In my first 1,000 I achieved fours scores of zero points, and an overall win ratio of 53% (530 wins), longest winning streak of 12 and longest losing streak of 9.
At 1,000 I then reset the stats.
In my second 1,000 games, I achieved top scores of 1, 1, 2, 3, and 4, and an overall win ration of 57.5% (575 wins). My longest winning streak was 15, and my longest losing streak was 10.
I really don't feel that the cards are always random. I was given ridiculously good cards for my winning streak of 15 - I didn't even come close to losing in any of those games, but then my (recent) losing streak of 10 was virtually unplayable - I finished 4th on almost every occasion.
It's taken me ten months to play 2,000 games - I really need to get a better life!
To get better hands you have to break at least 13 of the little "Heart Bubbles" that float up at the end after a win!
Really?!? or are you pulling my leg? I'm sure willing to try if it helps. First hand of first game this afternoon was dealt lone QS, passed it left, got passed AS & KS. That's four times in about 20 to 25 games that exact scenario has happened on the first hand after a winning game. Yeah, random deals, for sure.
Absolutely no strategy in this program. Just puts crap hands to the human and keeps one of the computer hands with low score. Utter fail.
Completely agree with last post. Very simplistic, lazy program designed by a dishonest, pathetic little cheat. Hope this programer is unemployed and bears the shame of his dishonesty.
Regardless of what anyone says, the computer program HEARTS cheats in all sense of the word. This figures from what most programmers know about MICROSOFT. It's just a bunch of spaghetti code programmers.
Now, anyone that will tell me that almost 40% of the time when it's a no pass round, the human player gets one or two spades, one of them always being the QUEEN. Seriously now, this happening in real life is next to impossible....therefore CHEATS.
I've played real HEARTS with others for almost 35 years with about a 60% win ratio (I'm a good player) and when something walks and quacks like a duck ... it's a duck.
Thanks spaghetti programmers, for ruining a usually fun game.
Well, despite ANYONE saying that Microsoft Hearts doesn't cheat, they're disillusioned.
It does in fact cheat. But maybe we should look at the word 'cheat' and its definition.
1
: to deprive of something valuable by the use of deceit or fraud
2
: to influence or lead by deceit, trick, or artifice
3
: to elude or thwart by or as if by outwitting
intransitive verb
1
a : to practice fraud or trickery
b : to violate rules dishonestly
OK, let's apply some of the above. I have maintained a 60% win ratio for quite sometime now, but can never get above it. EACH and EVERY TIME a 'NO-PASS' round comes up, I am dealt two spades, one of them being a queen. Gee, every time ? No, that's not cheating, it's just the run of cards (YEA RIGHT). Of course, during this round the spades are thrown right away.
Now, when I might be in a pass situation round and not have the queen of spades, the other players RARELY throw spades right away. They'll try to exhaust my major suit, be it clubs, diamonds or spades. Of course that happens in real life (YEA RIGHT).
My favorite is when you're behind and have a chance to catch up, as soon as you're within target of winning the game, they'll play to the highest player and make him go out, ending the game and you're not in the running. EVERY TIME. Of course, that's just smart playing (YEA RIGHT).
I've been playing real hearts for about 40 years now, learning it in the Navy as a young lad.
Microsoft should be ashamed.
I just played a game where I was "dealt" a lone spade two consecutive hands and passed the A-K of spades both times. The next habd I was "dealt" yet another lone spade, this time only got passed the AS. Horsesh*t! Anyone who thinks this isn't purposely programed into the game is nuts.
I played 4 games this morning. I was dealt a singleton QS in each game. The odds of drawing a singleton QS are over 1000 to 1. And I get it 4 times in less than 59 hands? Yeah, the game cheats.
If it's so g-damn important for this corrupt programer to "win" the game, he can go screw himself. I've uninstalled the game from my computer. If anyone knows how to let MS know about this, I'd like to know.
If it's so g-damn important for this corrupt programer to "win" the game, he can go screw himself. I've uninstalled the game from my computer. If anyone knows how to let MS know about this, I'd like to know.
I was leading the lowest bot by seven points. Two consecutive hands I take 4 hearts with the 5H. The "chosen one" takes zero, zero so I lose by one point. Is there anyone with a working brain think this is just a "bad break"? No! the game cheats - the cards were placed to get the desired outcome.
I also believe that the card distribution is not random. I've played 3496 games since last clearing my statistics, and have won 2411 of those games. Pretty much EVERY game starts off the same way, with me getting the Q spades either dealt to me or passed to me in a percentage equal to my win percentage. I don't believe in statistical anomalies of that magnitude. That is so improbable that it is impossible, and yet it continues to happen. I have gone entire games, as many as 13 hands, and I got the Q spades every single hand. It is nearly impossible for me to win without shooting the moon at least once.
I had one of those curse and scream at the computer games tonight. Two bots were in the nineties, I had 19 and the other bot had 31 (sound familiar?)
Surprisingly, I got a great hand and the win was in sight. I held:
4, J of clubs
2, 4, 7. 10 of diamonds
3, 8, 9 of spades
2, 5, 6, J of hearts
Anyone who has played this p.o.s. game knows where this is going.
2C is led, I play JC, followed by QC & AC. 2nd trick 3C is led, followed by KH, 4C (me), and QS. Of course, the low bot takes zero points, I take 14 points and lose by two. Figurenot only the odds of that hand, but also the timing. If you play this game enough, you'll see this scenario way more than legitimate odds would dictate.
What ticks me off is the programing of the "deals" is pretty sophisticated, but piss-poor strategy of play. Notice how many times you hold the QS. One hand will have a bunch of spades and keeps leading them. He also has high cards to keep getting the lead. This is not accidental. This not only keeps the pressure on you (and often forces the queen) it also lets the other two bots get rid of their junk, so then you end up eating hearts at the end.
Notice how many low cards west always seems to have and is able to continually duck the lead. Invariably, east gets the lead and everything has to play thru you. Again, no accident.
Henceforth, the brilliant programer of this shi**y game shall be known as "the cutesy genius", in honor of his fantastic ploy known as the cutesy play. For those unfamiliar with the term, it's when the three bots play 2, 3, 4 of hearts and you take 4 points with the 5H......and also still have the lead. It's just his cute way of reminding all of us that HE is the genius and we're just schmucks, too stupid to figure out what's going on.
88y
Why would someone bring shame to themself, their family, and their company with such a disgracefully dishonest game?
Just finished a game where the bot to my immediate right took 1o points in 12 hands. My ass! I challenge ANYONE to sit to my right and take 10 pts. or less. I've got $100 bucks says it can't be done. No brag, just fact.
I have a few bets to offer to anyone willing to take them on MS Hearts game. I'm very confident, if I find enough takers, I will be sitting on a beach in Tahiti by Christmas. These are all what SHOULD be fair bets.
> 1-to-1 odds. I pay if I'm dealt 2H, you pay if I'm dealt QS.
> 3-to-1 odds. On hold 'em hands, I pay if a bot is dealt QS, you pay 3X if I'm dealt QS.
> 51-to-1 odds. I pay if the next card dealt to me as a singleton (only card in a suit) is NOT the QS, you pay 51X if it is the QS.
> 2-to-1 odds. If I hold AS or KS, I pay if the bot to my right or straight across holds QS, you pay 2X if the bot to my left holds it.
As I said, these are all fair bets according to the laws of probability in a true random deal. I have no doubt that I would profit greatly on EACH of these bets. Heck, there's another bet
> 4-to-1 odds. I pay if you come out ahead on any of the previous bets, you pay 4X if I win them all.
I challenge anyone in this game. I just did a streak of 25 and I never fall below %75 wins. Anyone who wants to challenge the champ, email Jim at thisonereal777@yahoo.com (or if you want me to show proof)
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I have played almost 2000 Games and the highest percentage I have achieved is 37%. The Game knows what cards you have. I have had a hand to shoot the moon and it plays the Queen on the first Spade Trick. On a Hold Hand I always get the Queen bare or one additional Spade and of course I take the Queen. The game really cheats bad. It cheats so bad that in some bars I went to when I was young they would blow your head off in a second for cheating. The Programmer is a cheat and has no class when it comes to playing cards.
Well here it is quite a few years later and a few generations of MS HEARTS - and yes, it still cheats.
Many have said it's impossible for a computer program to cheat......LOL. Yes, we believe that because we're all stupid!.
Let's look at cheating by definition:
1. to defraud; swindle
2. to deceive; influence by fraud
3. to elude; deprive of something expected
4. to practice fraud or deceit
5. to violate rules or regulations
6. to take an examination or test in a dishonest way, as by improper access to answers.
7. Informal. to be sexually unfaithful
8. a person who acts dishonestly, deceives, or defrauds
9.a fraud; swindle; deception
10. Law. the fraudulent obtaining of another's property by a pretense or trick.
11. an impostor: The man who passed as an earl was a cheat.
Regardless of what other 'semantics' police say it appears this game is covered more than once by the definition of cheat.
I have been stuck at 60% win ratio forever. According to some, it's because I don't understand the game (yeah 40 years of playing, I still don't get it - right!). According to others the game can't cheat...only people cheat.
Well, here it is with semantics again. The game DOES cheat because it's program does not follow honorable rules of the game. Tell me why EAST is always the prevailing computer player besides yourself, if lucky. Tell me why the opportunity comes for you to actually gain ground to win, but the computer takes the higher scoring player over the top so you can't. It's frustrating as all get out because I love the game, but no longer have the social network to play live with anymore.
I'll go out knowing I've been one of the best players of Hearts, and just deal with the cheat.
I've noticed one funny observation here. That is the commenters who post they have never been straddled by the game cheating and have these amazing scores and winning and the lot. It's obvious these are phony claims for one reason.
Why would they post here? Where did they find it?
I found it by typing MICROSOFT HEARTS CHEATS. Why would someone even bother looking up MS HEARTS CHEATING if they never had the problem.
OOPS.
Once I hit like 715 Victorys the game took over and I cannot do anything now. I only get one Spade or no Spades and the Queen. I get the Queen every hand now. It lets the other players Shoot The Moon but not me. Now the game is no fun and no challenge anymore. Something must activate in the program when you get so many wins that it will not let you win anymore. It shame whoever the Programmer was takes it personal.
cheat cheat cheat! how can the bot players always have the 2,3,4 of hearts when I have the 5? god help you if you get the 5 & 9 of h's! Any time I am winning I'll always get just the queen of spades 2 hands in a row..now that's my favorite trick! just stupid cheater bots and I hate them!
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Mrs.B
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Mrs.B
Mrs B I just found this blog like 2 days ago and was xtremely happy to find i'm not crazy! I just got a new computer and i'm playing vista hrts...use to have XP and at least I won more with XP...yhanks for proving me not insane!
damn MS hearts cheats every time..no longer playing it..not worth the stress!
Sometimes when i am rendering stuff in 3dsMax i play a game of hearts or 2. What i noticed was: due to rendering, PC is a lot slower in response and has lags, so when cards are dealt, i get a certain combination, but like a fraction of a second later it gets changed to another. By observing closely i noticed 2 things. 1. it's not some visual delay showing previously dealt cards getting replaced by new 2. new combination i got was changed for another. This only happens occasionally.
I just played a game where one bot had 98 pts. another had 97 pts. and I was ahead of the third bot by 9 pts. Hold 'em hand and I get dealt lone QS. ANYONE who says that's just a "tough break" or "luck of the draw" is full of sh*t! The cheating-ass program put the g-damn hand there to "win" the game. ONE MORE TIME -If the deal isn't random, it's cheating!
I think we can all go on forever about the cheating bots...but is there anything that can be done about it? I hate that it still upsets me every time...you'd think I was losing 1000$ by the way I swear at the computer every time I get cheated out of a win!
Another "bad break" to watch for. Ever notice how many times a bot will land on 99 pts. when you're in the lead? How often does it happen when you're trailing?
all I have to do is see what i'm dealt and know exactly how their gonna set me up yet there's nothing I can do with the shitty hand i'm dealt. any time I get the A K of spades I know the guy on my right is gonna set me up. he'll always take the hand before with the highest card then lead into spades and guess who gets 13 points?
just played 4 games..was dealt the Q of spades EVERY hand and i'm not kidding..sometimes alone and maybe 60% of the hands I was dealt the A K Q of spades..also I've noticed that there's only 1 bot that has all ur losers and he always wins the hand when their setting you up..u'd think that MS could at least cheat a little less obviously!
I have won like 850 Games and now it will not let me do anything. I get the Queen every trick and it hardly gives me any Spades anymore. I always get the Queen, King, and Ace of Spades. Usually the Queen alone and then they play Spades and that hand is basically over. It is no fun anymore and it shows no class by Microsoft to put out such trash for its customers.
I have had hands occasionally when I can hold the Qs long enough to trump the "chosen winner" and noticed that when I did this I threw off the whole game and actually slaughtered the bots. Don't get hands like that very often but the thing is if you can throw them off they don't kno how to handle it and you can win..otherwise you can kiss your ass goodbye in most games..
In one game (12 hands)I was dealt lone QS twice(once on no-pass, once on pass left), lone KS once, KJ spades on no-pass hand, & void in spades once (got passed QS). Simply brilliant programing. If it's that damned important to "win" the game, why even bother dealing hands? Just blink & flash and say "Sorry, but you've lost this game." Pathetic cheat.
I got a chance to play some hearts with real people, real cards, and real dealing over the weekend. OMG! It is shocking just how pathetic and corrupt this computer game is. I actually got dealt 2, 3, or 4 of hearts the majority of hands. I got the cutesy play once in about 6 games. Not once was I dealt a lone QS. Not once was I dealt void in spades and passed the QS. Not once did I hold QS 5-deep and still get it led out of me.
It took me a while to adjust to "normal" odds and card distributions. Of course, if I was ahead in a game I was targeted, but if I trailed, I wasn't. I had some "bad" hands, but never felt cheated.
what iz this new crap now where 1 crappy bot has all your losers? And ofcourse that bot gets the lead every time and just sticks it to you. We are talking about a billion dollar company that can't create a legit hearts game..seriously?
Because, for SOME reason, the programer MUST make you lose certain games. I lost twice today when a bot shot the moon to win by a couple of points. Both times the moonshots were dead solid, with absolutely nothing I could do to prevent it.
The only thing to do to combat this cheating asshat is to "cheat" him right back. I dump every game I feel I'm being cheated. It's MY computer, MY game, I decide what's cheating. I never continue a game when I take QS or get cutsied on the first hand. If I get dealt QS, pass it, and get passed AK of spades, I dump it without playing a card. I've dumped up to 8 games in a row before I knocked that sh*t out of it's head. I totally believe there are triggers to the "cheat mode" and dumping games is the only way to beat it.
If you get behind early in a game, dump it. There is no way to catch up while "cheat mode" is on. You will continuously be looking at 10-J or K-Q of hearts and taking points. Or a patsy bot will gobble points like crazy and bust before you can catch up to the designated winner.
I agree with the dumping...I actually had the lead by 12 points..this is my hand the last deal..A K Q 10 h, A K Q J c,4 7 K s, 4 5 d..i lost by 1 point..I've almost destroyed my computer 10 times already cuz of that lowzy game..drop dead ms hearts.
I'd like to invite the programer of this game (and anyone who wants to defend this game) to come play "live" hearts. One tiny rules change, though. At any point(s) during the game, when I decide, I get to deal. And by "deal" I mean I get to look at the cards and put them where I want to.
Oh yeah, bring your wallet, we play for money
lat game I played I had 11 spades and the A, Q h...ended up with every heart..13 points..got the same hand, same game 3 times..each hand I took 13 points..the famous hand is when you get the A, Q 9 h..got those 3 cards at least 6 times in a game..i wonder how hard those ms guys r laughing at us right now?
this 1 never happened to me before..1 damn bot shot the moon 3 times in a row..not a thing I could do about it..of course I dumped the game right before I lost..
I just went over 900 wins and the Game is pulling out all the stops to keep me from winning. Now sometimes when I Shoot The Moon it is telling me that I only took 25 and one of the other players took a heart and usually a low heart. It has done this about 3 times so far. When I had a lot of Spades and the Queen I was passing the Queen and playing Spades so one of the players would take the Queen but it started giving me big clubs to stop that. The Game makes adjustments as it goes. Whoever did the program knows a lot about cheating. At some of the places I use to hang it he would be dead with his brains blown out!!
Using Win7. MS Hearts absolutely cheats on several levels. I've played thousand of games with people and with other programs and this game does NOT act statistically normal. Try VEX hearts online as a comparison which doesn't cheat (when using computer players). As with others here, when it wants to catch up there's a number of ways it screws you;
1. Generally, if you pass the As or Ks you'll get passed the Qs. If you pass the Qs, which you would do if you only have two other low spades, you'll get the A or K or both in which case East conveniently seem to keep getting the lead using spades with West holding the Queen. You'll end up defending holding the A K or Q of spades almost every hand.
2. Statistically unlikely distributions way too often. I'll have the 3 or 4 of Diamonds plus maybe two others and only one other player will have ALL the rest - eating the Q from another player with the player leading a 5 or 6 of diamonds. Same thing with hearts. It does this to sucker you into making a moon shot. 10 minutes ago I had A,K,Q,J,10,8 of hearts and it blew up my moon because West had ALL the other hearts taking my 8 with the 9. And that happens A LOT.
3. If you avoid the queen it's a good bet you'll eat most of the hearts.
4. It will favor one player. One player will get excellent cards the entire game. Even if you play well you'll lose.
5. It passes you what you pass. Pass three diamonds you get diamonds. Pass hearts you get hearts. Although it doesn't do it as much with clubs. I think it does this for moon prevention. I had an old DOS Hoyle hearts game that did this. That game used to set me up too. I wouldn't be surprised to find out MS Hearts came from that code.
Again, it does these things when it wants to catch up.
Strategies against it.
1. Never pass the A,K,Q of spades unless passing right and you're holding A or K passing the Q. It's seem about even odds to get the A, K, or Q when passing right. Hold the Q on left pass (even if you only have two other) and you'll get the A K or both as backs ups, increasing your defense (having enough spades to pull them all leaving you with the solo queen to drop)
2. Pass A or K clubs left (West) so that when West leads spades on the 2nd hand and you only have a 3 to the K, you can play the K. Pass the 2 of clubs right if possible so increase odds west leads.
3. It is dumb about ducking. If you have A K 9 hearts you can make the 9 of hearts good by playing it first attempting to moon.
4. Count cards, especially spades.
5. Target the low player. Since it's favored you might only have one or two chances the whole game.
the only time I ever get dealt the 2 of clubs is on a hold hand.
so I tried too shoot the moon twice in 1 game and of course the last hand I get beat but when the bots do it there's no stopping them..lemme tell ya with some of the hands i'm dealt shooting the moon is my only friggin chance..i get dealt the 2 of clubs every hand and if its not dealt to me its passed to me..lets face it the game sux!AC
the key is to dump as many games as u need to till u get a somewhat fair game..like anonymous(lol) said anytime you eat the Qs in the first hand dump it..when you get dealt an impossible hand right off dump it..after like 6 or 7 you should get a game you can handle..
played 25 hands in a row just to see how man times I was actually defending instead of playing offence..
Qs - 23 times
AKQs - 16 " "
AKs - 11
KQs - 13
AQs - 15
AKQh - 9
AQ9h - 11
AKQq - 19
2c - 22
so do u doubters still think the deal iz random..i won 6 out of 25 gamez and my lowest score waz 22..i had hands that were impossible to play but I didn't dump them cuz I wanted to play thru 25 gamez..
I have won over 950 Games and it is pulling out all stops to keep me from winning. It is cheating left, right, up, and down. It will not let me shoot the moon but it lets the others players shoot the moon. I only get a few Spades and mostly the Queen, King, and Ace. On the Hold Hands I always get the Queen and usually bare. So on the Hold Hands I am going to get the Queen. One time I had like 10 Spades and I am shooting the moon and played maybe 5 or 6 Tricks then all of a sudden it takes a Trick. It did it quick and I could not see what Spade it played. This means it did not play all the Spades and kept one to stop me from shooting the moon. Several times after I shot the moon it said one of the other players took a Heart. The guy who wrote the program know more about cheating then he does about playing Hearts.
CHEATING is all the f*** it knows. Absolutely no legitimate strategy in the game, but every crooked deal to force points on you in the book is used. Pathetic, dishonest, and childish. The programer needs to be exposed so his whole family can see his shame.
lately i'm getting the 8,9,10,J,Q of like every suit az my hand..i literally have nothing to play..or my fave the 4,5,6,7,8 of diamonds and the 2 & 3 r played then trumped with the Qs and i'm sitting there like stunned...that happens quite a bit..any time I get dealt the lone Qs I dump the game...its not worth the aggravation!
There is no doubt it cheats. Being a statistician I looked for an easy test. I kept track of the number of cards 7 or under in each hand. In an unbiased game, on average I would expect 6, although individual hands will vary. I kept track of the statistics in groups of 10. After 100 hands I found that the computer give you an average of about 5 cards under 7. Further, there was no set of 10 the had an average of 6 cards under 7 or more. Statistically, the odds of this are infinitesimal. This is equivalent to the computer having a one card edge n nearly every hand, enough to bias the game well in its favor. I'm sure there are other cheats going on but this was enough for me to ruin the game for me. Its not a glitch as it would be easy to correct and hard to have happen by accident.
I want to correct my previous comment. I kept track of the number of cards under 7, not 7 or under. rest is correct.
u really can't play a game when the other players kno whats in your hand..simple as that folks! the bots will set u up every time..not too mention only 1 of them has all your losers and of course that bot always gets the lead and leads directly into your crappiest suit..
Good to see a true analyst (statistician) weigh in. Here's one to figure the odds on. Two consecutive "no-pass" hands I got dealt QS as a singleton. It was a game that I WAS leading by 30+ pts. on all three bots (by virtue of a moonshot on hand #2).
By my reckoning, that's roughly the equivalent of drawing two royal flushes at the final table of the World Series of Poker.
I have dumped like 20 games today just for the sheer fact that this hearts game is the worst...how can ou possibly get the Qs every hand? And if not that the AKQJh? how bout the AKQs & AKQJh 3 hands in a row? I've been dealt the same hand like 30 times..Whoever programed this game should be tarred & feathered and i'm being nice...
The deal is not random. The game can "put" cards in your hand to force you to take points whenever it wants to.
Good for you dumping games when this is going on. I just wish there was a way to publicly expose this horsesh*t to everyone.
I agree..its beyond me how a 50 billion dollar empire can't come up with a non cheating game of hearts? And its not just this site, there r plenty of people who r complaining about this 2 bit game..can't even enjoy playing u get so aggravated with it..all I want is a fair chance to win..
It blows my mind how many different ways this game cheats..i played a few games today and just kept dumping them cause the blatant cheating was horrendous..i was in the lead by 35 points and lo and behold got the lone Qs 2 hands in a row then was dealt no lower than the 10h the rest of the game..i'm not sure what the reasoning is behind this program...Microsoft should be ashanmed...
I am trying to get to 1000 Wins and I am at 992 and the game is pulling out all the stops to keep me from getting to 1000. You name it and it is doing it. It must into a super cheating mode. I am going to get to a 1000 sometime but it is going to be difficult.
good luck too you! I've actually had a good day today winning 6 out of 8 but the last few games I've had to dump cause I didn't have a prayer..for some reason we all complain bout this game yet we keep playing..i guess it just feels too good when you win..even when its on super cheat!
First of all, I'd like to point out the tip given to show all players cards mentioned does not work in Windows 7 (probably Windows 8 either). There is no entry for Hearts under "APPLET" as is mentioned. Secondly, every version of Microsoft's Hearts game DOES cheat. It's not because the AI is better as someone mentioned. It's the fact that Hearts is a game of everyone for themselves. Microsoft did not create the game this way, it's all three computer players trying to beat the human player. In Hearts (the real game with humans) the object is to be the lowest score. If I am in third place, I'm not going to pile points onto the fourth place person. Doing so would put them over 100 points and I would lose too (the ONLY winner is first place). In Microsoft's game, it doesn't matter whether East, West, or North is leading -- it's as if all three win if you lose. This is NOT realistic. Microsoft was foolish for making the game function the way they did.
Also, there is one thing I do to keep a 100% winning percentage. If I see the game doing stupid stuff (sometimes it even cheats, giving me hands a computer player took) I bring up the task manager, click on the "PROCESSES" tab, highlight Hearts.exe, then click 'End Process' at the bottom right corner of task manager. I've won 117 out of 117 games. ;-)
I played a "money" game for years with a group of friends. We played very small stakes, penny a point or nickel a point, dime or quarter a game. I had nights where I'd win maybe two of ten games and finish money ahead, if I happened to win by big amounts and finish second or third by a small amount.
This game would make more sense if it kept a "total points" score. (Not that it would change the cheating). I've kept a points score myself for 10 or 20 games and I absolutely kill the bots. Last night I played 20 games, winning 12. Playing nickel-quarter, I would have won over $60.
sadly this hearts game is more aggravating then enjoyable...at this point I can pretty much tell how the bots will play by the hand i'm dealt and will just dump the game..for some reason i'm getting AKQ942 clubs just bout every hand and AQ9 hearts..the hearts really piss me off cause no matter what you'll take 4 points..it also bothers me when only 1 bot has all my losers which happens a lot..kind of sad when a trillion dollar company like MS can't program a decent hearts game..
I just played a hand where I had every heart but the 2 & 3 and I bet u'll never guess how that turned out? the 2 & 3 were thrown and then the Qs and I guess you can figure it out..every game I've played today only 1 friggin bot had all my losers its just so friggin unfair...also the cutesy play now that just proves the deal isn't random...those damn bots know exactly whats in your hand..
Sharing the pain...and frustration. Three times in a five game stretch, I was dealt lone QS on pass-left hands, then passed A-K of spades. Also got led out of a six-deep QS,
swear to god I was dealt 5,9,Q hearts took 8 points..when I saw the 6,7,8 fall consecutively after the 2,3,4 I could of strangled someone! proof positive that bots know whats in every hand ur dealt..its not a game its crap!
Yep, 5 & 9H taking 8 points. That's the "double cutesy". Another fav of mine is the "mini cutesy", taking 3 points with the 4H with one bot void in hearts.
Also, I'm just gaga over the "great hunch". That's when a bot takes the first club trick, then, despite having several low spades, decides to lead 2D, another bot has 3D, the third bot is void in diamonds....AND has the QS, leaving you.....
oh ya the 2 & 3 of diamonds...hmm fond memories of that one..its just as awsum when they do it with the 2 & 3 of hearts and you drop 15 points on one lowzy hand..i can't figure tho what ms gets out of this cheating program..there are plenty of people fed up with this stupidness!
in all sincerity iz it even humanly possible to be dealt the Qs 11 hands in a row? And when you actually don't get dealt or passed the Q some how the A,K take its place..who would even think up a program where you get dealt the Q of spades 11 hands in a row?
I got dealt lone QS 3 times in approx. 20 hands (over two games). Logic says every card in the deck has an equal probability of being dealt as a singleton. What are the odds of the same card being a singleton 3 times in that few deals? Factor in also, it just happens to be the most detrimental card in the deck. (that's a 51-1 long shot of it being a SPECIFIC card)
I started using the taskmaster when I dump games and u don't get the loss when u do that which at least gives u a fighting chance with the win loss ratio..but i'm still dumping 4 out of 5 games to too the cheating factor..
I was dealt 3 of the worst hands ever this last game I played and ended up pulling off 3 moon shots in a row...the hands were so bad that I really had no choice but too try..I noticed that the bots are so focused on beating you that they don't realize whats going on until its too late...ha ha ha
fed up with this friggin lowsy game..wish I could give ms some "feedback" about this one sided game..maybe, just maybe the programmer didn't know the concept behind hearts before creating this program? nah they did it on purpose to aggravate their customers..****on them!
I would like to meet the idiot that wrote the code for this game (Microsoft Hearts) cause he is without a doubt the biggest a$$ around. I have never played any other computer game that cheats as badly as this one!!!
The only thing I truly enjoy about this game is playing it when I'm the only one in the house. When I beat the cheating POS I very loudly tell him what a pathetic pile of human feces he is, he cheats and STILL LOSES!
a way to beat the game....#1 use the task master when you dump a game...#2 only play the game if you feel like you have a chance to win....result...96% win rate...27 wins out of 28 games..i know it still try and cheat every chance it gets but playing this way makes YOU feel better!
Sigh. Tonight it's "the Chosen One Gambit". Game after game, one bot just doesn't take points. I've dumped 4 games in a row where one bot was about to bust and the chosen one had <12 pts. It's just pitiful seeing the cards the chosen one has hand after hand. About half the time, two bots will volley a suit, like diamonds, back and forth for 4 or 5 leads, while the chosen one is void in diamonds, and dumps what few point takers he might have.
oh ya the bots are famous for that my friend...and of course the suit that bot is getting rid of is the 1 you have 8 of! I actually dumped a game where the "chosen" bot had 4points, I had 11, the other had 50 and the "suck up" every hand bot had 87...no matter what I did I couldn't force a hand on the chosen bot...even tho you dump the game it still pisses you off doesn't it?
I have noticed the programme takes your hand for its own when it is in fact your hand as well
the whole point is that the only way the program is sure of a win is to make sure you lose...hence the unplayable hands, lone Q of spades etc...and honestly if I have to watch 1 more "cutesy" play i'm gonna puke! also the "chosen" bot that's another aggravating factor so I've learned that if your behind by any more then 15 points...dump the game cause you'll never catch up...
So I have won 1025 Games and now the Game is no fun. All I get is the A,K,Q of Spades or Q dry, A dry, K dry, etc. I have the Queen either way. So I concentrated on just taking 13 Points. Every time I try to Shoot the Moon they stop me by having more cards then I do. I have 6 Hearts and they got 7, etc. But they let each other Shoot the Moon. When we played Hearts it was fun but this is not fun. Only Bill Gates could screw up the Game of Hearts!!!!!
I hear ya when you start winning a lot they totally shut you down..i'm up to winning 43 out of 45 97% and its getting impossible to play thru a whole game cause of the cheating...I don't think in the year that I've been playing I've had more than 5 hands that didn't include, in some way, the A,K,Q spades...also i'm getting A,K,Q and other assorted clubs, at least 6 or 7 every hand...no matter what I kill I get it back 3 fold so I guess if your gonna play the game you have to accept that it just isn't fair which also makes it sweeter when you win...
There are sequences of tactics within the game. Playing only the first hand and then ending the game works well for a while, but later you find that for a while the first hands are desperate for the human player. I often wonder if the game is the same one for everyone or if it is updated by MS with the OS updates. Otherwise it has a massive library with cycles of programmed games that simply follow on until you start the initial sequence again.
the only time I will dump it on the 1st hand is if its just impossible to win, most times i'll play till the cheating mode gets ridiculous and i'm behind by a certain # but I wish I could play every game strait thru but as we all know there are hands that are dealt to make you lose and we all know what that's about...
the only time I will dump it on the 1st hand is if its just impossible to win, most times i'll play till the cheating mode gets ridiculous and i'm behind by a certain # but I wish I could play every game strait thru but as we all know there are hands that are dealt to make you lose and we all know what that's about...
I, too, decided to "play it straight". I reset statistics and vowed to play all games out. I won game #1 fairly easily. Game #2 was close, I beat the "chosen one 19-31. Game #3 I squeaked one out 41-43 over the "chosen one". Game #4, 1st hand, I'm dealt lone QS, pass it left, get passed AS, KS. 2nd hand, I'm dealt void in hearts, get passed KH, QH. 3rd hand, east takes club trick, leads 2D, I play 3D (4D, 6D are only other diamonds I hold), west plays JH, north plays QS. After 3 hands score is 44, 0, 8, 26. ...........I dumped it.
I find that I have to dump maybe 3 or 4 hands in a row before I get a game I actually have a chance of winning...1 thing I've found is if you can, in any way, give the "chosen 1" points the other 2 freak out! Like if 1 of the others throws the Ks and you can hold the Qs and give it too the "chosen 1" it messes em up and they don't know what to do, but it can also cause you to be dealt an impossible hand next deal..its worth taking the chance to see the bots lose it!
Just wanted to weigh in about the cutesy play. It absolutely infuriates me with the regularity it shows up. But another thing that galls me is how often it starts with the bot to your right. Say you hold 5H, 10H, QH. When bot to your right leads 2H, if you play 5H and get the cutesy, you're screwed for probably at least 4 more hearts. If the lead came from the bot to your left, and you saw 2H, 3H, 4H played, you could play the QH, hold the low heart (5H), and probably have a good chance of your 10H being low after another round of hearts. But with the lead seemingly always coming from you right, you've got to either give in and concede 4 pts. or take your chances of being stuck with a bunch. It's no accident that it plays out like this, either.
like I had said in a previous post the famous combo of A,Q,9 of hearts is dealt to me at least 3-4 times a game and unless I have a good hand and can throw a heart instead of the Qs I end up with 8 hearts. Also, on way too many occasions, only 1 bot has all my losers...if I have the Qs and 4 other spades only 1 of them has the rest of the spades, same with hearts...I get dealt like 8 hearts and only 1 bot has the rest, all able to best mine! sometimes I can finesse it but most times I just want to scream..all in all the only way the game can win is too cheat..I've never lost a game where I felt, from the beginning, that I had a chance...the only thing I can think of is that the programmer just decided the game has to win a certain # of times and fixed it that way...
I am up to 80 wins out of 82 games 97% and I haven't been able to play a whole game thru in the past 2 days..the hands i'm being dealt r ridiculous...always a lone Qs the first hand..if I actually keep playing i'm getting the Qs every hand sometimes with the A,Ks and most times with the A,K,Q,J of hearts..its impossible not to take at least 8 points a hand...hate Microsoft with a vengeance!
anyone notice that if you get rid of hearts...say you have the A,K,J,9 and the K,10,4 spades that you automatically get the Qs + 2 more hearts? I try my best to not get rid of hearts for that simple fact..i think we should write a mass letter to MS telling them what a crappy thing they did when creating this foolish game...
I have played about a 1000 games of MS hearts and the last game I played was the only time I have ever seen the bots play fair! They stopped 2 moon shots on each other and didn't immediately lead spades when I had the lone Q! I actually got rid of it on the second throw! Very close game but I won and for once really enjoyed myself! Should be how every game is played!
If you type Microsoft feedback into your computer the very top one lets you comment on different things. Its supposedly anonymous but who really cares? You can let some frustration out by telling those genius's exactly how you feel bout their crappy hearts game. Probably means crap to them but made me feel better.
Just played a game of hearts, it pissed me off so bad at what it just did, I searched for anything on the interweb about hearts cheating and found this page.
I was dealt a typical hand, I was given one diamond, so I sent it across to another player. I was also traded the queen of spades, no big deal right? With no diamonds, surely I could play it off. NOPE, the 3 computer opponents managed to play one suit I was weak in but had lots of and the other computer players ditched all their diamonds. How could they have known I had no diamonds? How was it for four hands in a row, two pc players dumped only diamonds and when they were out, they played hands undercutting me while the pc player that had not ditched his diamonds, dumped them. I had no Diamonds mind you and was unable to play the queen off on any hand and they managed to fump all but 4 hearts on me to boot.
My success ratio is very good. I play hearts in real life, I win a lot on ms hearts, but this was the first time I caught the pc outright cheating. I have had the ace-queen of spades dumped on me a lot and other things one could construe as impossible to occur over and over hand after hand in a row. Still, I chalked it up as bad luck, this, this was all out collusion on the part of the computer to allow 3 players to work against me to set me up to win a huge hand. Pathetic MS!!
I just dumped 11 games in a row and just turned my computer on! lately i'm either getting A,K,Q spades or A,K,Q,J hearts 1st or 2nd hand dealt...its always 3 against 1 and they use a variety of ways to f*** you...the only reason I have a good win ratio is cause when I dump games I use taskmaster...plus any time you have a fairly good lead they'll just deal you the lone A,K or Q spades..its impossible to play most times..also if you notice any time you have the A,K or Q spades and another spade the guy on the right always wins the 1st & 2nd hand and always leads spades but when 1 of his buddies has the Q spades they always lead another suite which just goes to show you that ms hearts blows!
sadly the bots know every card you hold in your hand...there's no other way to explain sum of the moves they make...I held out trumping with the Q spades till I could get the "chosen" bot and lo & behold another bot took it with a higher card...now mind you I was down to 2 cards and still couldn't trump the "chosen" 1...so whoever thinks its just bad luck has rocks in their head!
For me the saddest point is that Hearts, with a slightly different scoring regime, was a game my pals and I played often on wet summer days and during breaks in sports events, and we enjoyed it immensely, but, it is impossible to enjoy Hearts as presented by MS.
I get no fun from it because my success or otherwise has been, to a great extent, decided by a computer buff with little feel for the fun the game should provoke.
I am left finding ways to prove the warped depth of the programming, and to win a game to nought, as I have on two occasions, means simply I ran into a particular phase in the pre-programmed sequences whilst, by contrast, on another occasion I could not avoid collecting the QS in each of the first four hands - a sequence of impossible deals rendering results I never experienced in the real game.
Whatever, thanks Mrs B, for the chance to sound off about MS Hearts, your blog truly is brilliant.
you said it all...ms hearts is a sham and it cheats to the 8th degree...no fun at all!
ok so i'm leading by a good 35 points and this is the hand i'm dealt not once but twice in a row..A,K,Q,J hearts...Q,J,10,9 of spades...K,J diamonds...K,6,2 clubs..wtf? needless to say I took 23 points each hand..funny isn't it? soooooo angry right now...
so the "magic 10" is the most aggravating of just about all the cheating methods...and sadly you know its gonna happen especially when only 1 stupid bot has hearts to begin with...also the Q of spades thing is true too...its not a computer error its programmed that way...everyone on this site has been thru all of this...the cutesy play...the magic 10...the Q spades being dug out of a 6 spade hand...constantly getting the A,K,Q of spades in 1 way or the other in every hand...yesterday I got the same crappy hand twice in a row this IS NOT computer error this is ms putting out a nasty hearts game...we've all played hundreds of games and its always the same...at least we have somewhere to vent our frustrations!
You are right, it is not computer error or bad luck. It's pathetically dishonest programing. Another thing I've seen a lot of lately is what I call "death by 1000 cuts". You just keep getting nicked with a few hearts. Maybe you have J, 10, 9 of spades. Inevitably, one bot will be void in spades and ding you with a heart each time you lead to flush the queen. Or you go hand after hand with no heart lower than a 6, guaranteeing you at least one heart trick. Or the last hand the 3D is magically led to your 6D & both bots have a heart left. I played a game yesterday where I took at least three hearts the first NINE hands. Ended up with 42 points, of course the chosen one had 19.
The programer put a mulitude of sophisticated cheats into the game, but could not figure out a viable playing strategy with true random dealing? Bullsh*t!
LOL! Great stuff! Just remember where the Lone Ranger takes his trash.....to the dump, to the dump, to the dump dump dump.
I hear ya with the heart thing...I could have a great hand xcept the K,Q,9 hearts and a bot always breaks hearts fore I can even dump 1 guaranteeing an 8 heart prize for me! i'm glad u picked up on that my friend cuz I thought I was being a spoil sport on that 1...honestly if your getting close to the final card being thrown and you know your not gonna win just dump the game using taskmaster and it won't count as a loss for you!
Nothing funny or cute about it. Just a blatantly dishonest game in the vein of carnival ripoff games designed to cheat people out of their money. I don't know why someone would do it where there's nothing to gain and customer trust and goodwill to lose.
absolutely nothing cute or funny bout it! nasty, nasty game...god forbid you have only the 5 & 9 of hearts! automatic 8 heart hand...can't believe the cutesy gets played twice on me in 1 hand...the only way the bots can do this is to switch cards round as soon as you get rid of your 3 cards cause there's no way in hell they can kno what your gonna kill...now that's just out and out cheating to the 10th degree...just goes to show you what ms is all about...billion dollar company and they can't come up with a better hearts game? bull***! I realize that in most any computer game the comp needs to win too make it challenging but this is ridiculous..if you comment on this crappy game they'll give you sum nickel & dime answer...shame on ms and mr. gates!
I've played approx. 75 hands tonight. Been dealt singleton QS 3 times (twice on "no-pass"). Also been dealt AS as singleton 3 times (once on "no pass"). Last game I went into last hand leading chosen one by 10 pts. with one patsy bot on 99 (of course) and the other on 92. Fourth trick I take QS with 5C (spades never led). Of course the chosen one doesn't come within a country mile of taking a trick, but FU slimeball programer. instead of playing the would be last card of the game, I hit the red X. Still pissed me off though. I ask yet again...WHY?
First hand of game, I'm have 3,4,7,J of clubs, 6,7,10,A of diamonds, 8,9 of spades, and 3,6,K of hearts. I said, "uh-oh, diamonds". Sure as sh*t stinks, third trick 2D, 3D, QS. You really don't need to play the hands, you already know what's coming.
like I said in a previous post you really don't even have to play the hand once its been dealt cuz you can pretty much give a play by play of how its gonna go...the "hoover" bot is really pissing me off lately I mean by the 3rd hand its already 70! and even if your playing a pretty good game the "chosen" bot will go 3-4 hands in a row without taking a point! how many of you are being dealt the same crappy hand like 3 times in a row? its friggin aggravating!
My main bitch has always been the stupid distributions and skewed odds in the non-random dealing of the cards. I've never griped too much about how the cards were played. I have cause today to protest. I had a hand consisting of 3,4 of clubs, AD, KH, and A,K,Q,J,10,9,7,5,4 of spades. I elected to try to run them. After trick one, a spade was led, which I took. I led another big spade which drew a heart. I led my KH which walked, then proceeded to lead AD and my parade of spades. On the second-to-last trick. east dumped AH and kept 6C, which took my 4C and, of course, another bot had the 8H. Even the most adept counter would have to respect the 8H still being outstanding and would NOT toss the AH - in lieu of the 6C. Nope, that HAS to be unfair knowledge of your hand. And why didn't the other bot toss the 8H and keep a big diamond or something. Lowlife, miserable cheater.
obviously your hand is common knowledge to the bots...once you discard the beginning 3 the bots automatically switch cards around to suit there hands...like you said there's no other way to xplain sum of the cards that are thrown...just as a test try to shoot the moon saving a random card and I bet ya a million 1 of those rotten bastards has just the card to beat it...the only thing is i'm not sure why ms would create a program like this..i mean what does it matter to them if we win or lose? someone had to think about creating a program like this so what does that say about ms? and I can only imagine how many complaints they've gotten yet here it is the same crappy program...
i'm up too 120 wins out of 122 games and I haven't been able to play more than 3 hands the last 20 games...I'm just disgusted with this game and the blatant cheating..it was bad before but now its ridiculous...I can't go 1 hand without getting the A,K,Q,J of whatever suit and the A,K,Q spades it sux!
Microsoft Windows Hearts game cheats. Some ways I caught it or suspected cheating.....
I get the Queen of Hearts the majority of the time
On way to Shooting the Moon today, I had only one heart (Jack) and played it second to the last, no cards took it. I played my ten of spades. The player on right took it with a ten of spades.
Once my ace was taken with a heart when I was the one playing the ace.
I understand we can debug the game so we can cheat the game. So can we debug the game so it cannot cheat the human players?
I am also having issues with the Spider Solitaire game, it repeats games and seems stuck.
I am going to get the SolSolitaire games for ten bucks I guess, hoping for being treated better than by Hearts cheaters I cannot even 'shoot'!
apparently most ms games stink...I guess the chess game is the same way altho I've never played but I think we can take for granted that the hearts game is the worst ever...imagine if you were paying for it? I'm being dealt hands where a 7 is my lowest card yet I'm always 2 losers shy of shooting the moon and we all know who has those losers...I can be winning by 40 and in 2 hands be losing by 10. Now I am a champion wist player have been for 30 years and just as good if not better at hearts yet I can't get thru 2 lowzy hands with this game..its crap and ms knows it their just sitting back laughing at us...believe it!
Who gets dealt the A,K,Q hearts every hand? Who takes the Q of spades 9 out of 10 hands? Who gets dealt the 9 and up of every suit? Let me see...oh it would be someone who's playing Microsoft hearts! I have never witnessed such cheating in any game I've ever played whether on the computer or with real people. If any real hearts player was getting dealt these kind of hands with real players they'd throw the cards down and walk away.
Ok so I pull off a moon shot on the 1st hand so up 26. The next 2 hands are relatively good I only gained 6 points. So its 40 to 38 to 35 to 6 and here's where the fun starts. On the 3rd hand I get 8 spades including the A.K,Q, the A,K,Q hearts and the K,Q diamonds so I take 8 points there. The next hand exactly the same except I take the A,K clubs instead of diamonds I take 9, then of course I get 9 hearts the next hand and the 1 bot that has hearts beat all mine so I take 13. Now I'm pissed. Next hand lone Q spades I take 15 points. Hoping there's only 1 hand left yet I'm wrong and I end up with another 15. Mind you east or piss ant as I call it has been 99 the last 2 hands never taking a point. Finally I feed piss ant a heart and viola I win by 10 lowzy points. God playing a game of hearts with MS almost gave me a stroke!
I played 1 game! 1 game and already i'm losing 3 games to 1...hmm somethings amiss hear in microsaoft hearts land. If they can't win al least they can make it look like they did!
It must be nice to "see" your opponents cards. My last game I had a hand with exactly ONE red card, JH. Exactly ONE red card was led in 13 tricks, a small heart to make g-damn sure I took my 4 hearts. 25 red cards divided among 3 players and only one was led. Amazingly I only took 7 pts., but for crying out loud, how blatant can you get. All those hands holding 2s, 3s, 4s of diamonds and hearts, and just one black card after another kept coming.
It gets more amazing every day my friend! No matter what losers you have in your hand you can be damn sure they will be led 1 way or another...they will stick you with A,K,Q,J hearts or my fave K,Q,J,
10, 9 hearts but don't fret cause you'll also have the K,Q, spades and A,K,9,2 clubs to go with it! Then when your leading by a fairly good amount you can pretty much bet on the hands I mentioned plus the lone A,K or Q spades at least twice then another fave of mine your lowest card in any suit is an 8 or 9 but just so you can't shoot the moon 1 of those little f**** will surely have the 10 of hearts to take your last lowest heart no matter how the hand is played! And MS's excuse for all this is that the bots are constantly trying to shoot the moon...well how are they supposed to be trying to shoot the moon every hand when I hold the AKQ hearts and the AKQ spades at the same time at least 5 out of 10 hands?
First hand I'm winning by 26, 2 hands later I'm losing by 10! I think when your dealt truly impossible hands to play and its 3 against 1 all the time and the bots know whats in every hand your dealt at least when you win, if you don't stroke out first, you can honestly claim to be a great hearts player because you beat a cheating, disgusting, hapless game programmed by a bunch of jerk.
greedy bots = 3 moon shots! 2 of them I didn't even realize I was pulling off until the end! I was dealt 2 of the worst hands ever and here I am trying to at least make those stupid bots take a point and was beaten at every turn! Sweet!!
Usually I end up dumping maybe 8 games before I find 1 that I feel I'm not being completely bamboozled at. So the first 2 hands go ok then hoover bot takes over...the score is me 13, west 16 north 87 east 50 now this is after 4 total hands. No matter what I usually take 4 hearts per game mainly because they always go for my worst suit or the hearts in my hand are Q,J,10,9 so the last hand hoover bot takes 22 and I had to take 4 so it wouldn't shoot the moon and lose by 1 point. Some times with the hoover bot it happens so fast that you don't even realize the last hand is the last hand so I lose by 1 damn point..If my computer was a human being it would've been dead long ago playing this stupid game!
u my friend just echoed every damn thing I wanted to say! I have been thru 11 dumped games, obviously today is the big cheat day cause I've never dumped that many in a row...just the fact that my hand is an assortment of the highest cards in every suit and the Q of spades every hand means cheat mode is in full swing! I am being dealt the A,K,Q + 8 other spades like every hand...wtf? So while 1 bot leads spades the other 2 who don't have them get rid of any suit I might be able to win a hand with..I've been taking 8 hearts a hand..seems like the only hearts i'm getting are the A,J,10,9 or K,Q,8,9 every hand..maybe the stupid programmer of this game should of sat down with the hearts rule book before being a jerk and making this the most unenjoyable game ever!
I am pretty well convinced that I "trigger" the cheat mode in MS Hearts. I refuse to be cheated out of winning, so I dump games when I feel I've been cheated. It's not unusual for me to have win streaks of 30, 40, 60 games, which, I'm positive, kicks the game into "hyper cheat". Also my win pct. is 95%, which probably invokes the cheat mode, also.
This is total bs because random means random. You should not be dealt bigger cards or crappier hands because you won the last game, or last 100 games.
Card stacking bastard. Hand after hand after hand, one bot has a bunch of small cards in a suit that I also have a bunch of, ie. diamonds. That bot leads a small diamond, which I must take.The other two bots are void and dump oints on me or discard garbage. No matter what I lead back,, same bot takes it and leads another small, diamond, rinse and repeat. Damn sick of it.
same happens to me but in clubs...I must get at least 6 clubs a hand, which sux cause then i'm mostly killing clubs all the time...of course there high clubs with the 2 thrown in 99% of the time...I figure they constantly shoot me the 2 so I can't discard an unwanted spade 1st throw...I also dump games I feel I'm being cheated at and have a 100% win rate...most games I continue to play I win..if i'm winning by a lot and get a lone Q spades or A,K spades i'll dump it cause i'm obviously being cheated..ms hearts give me a migraine most days I play!
So I've got a pretty good lead over the friggin bots...so this is the hand i'm dealt 2 times in a row A,Q, 6, 7, 8 spades & A, J hearts...now rite off 1 bot has no spades and is throwing hearts at me while the other 2 lead spades, so they dig out the Q not to mention taking 10 hearts...so the 1st time I just said F it and got dealt the same hand again, maybe with like 2 different clubs and the same thing almost happens..now I check the score and if I hadn't dumped the game I would have lost by 2 points after leading by at least 30! I'm sorry but anyone who thinks its just a case of bad luck is crazier than the person who programmed this sh**!
You are 100% correct. It has nothing to do with "luck", those hands are put there.
I had a game a couple of days ago that just about caused total meltdown. This may sound like BS, but I shot the moon on the first three hands. Twice I had no intention, just crap hands, that, about 3/4 of the way through, I decided to go for it. So, I'm up 0, 78, 78, 78. I had 72 points (and one bot only had 82) before I finally got one of those SOBs busted. It was absolutely the most maddening thing you could imagine.
when you find yourself with a good lead is when cheating mode rockets thru the roof! Lone Q spades is the fave hand but when they beat you with the cutesy play no matter what is thrown its infuriating! And there's no way in hell that cards aren't changing hands thru out the game. Too many cutesy plays for that not to be happening. I'd say cutesy plays are the most maddening for me especially when you end up with the Q spades too!
Isn't it cute how often a bot lands on 99 pts.? Just one or two or three more chances to make the human have some "bad luck" and lose the game.
Ah yes, the old "just one more chance" ploy. I had to dump a game this p.m. because of it. Hand #12 (no pass), I lead the chosen one by 14 pts. with a bot on 99. I'm "dealt" 5 clubs, 5 diamonds, Q,6 of spades, AH.Just "bad luck", huh? B U L L S H * T !!! I was "given" that hand by a program that knows exactly what's going on. It would be funny, except it isn't. A company that accepts and implictly endorses such dishonesty is very disturbing. How far can you trust when such blatant immoral, dishonesty takes place in a meaningless game? What lengths would they go to for money?
That same game I was dealt QS as a loner twice in three hands. Figure the odds of that, you MS morons.
just played 2 games after dumping 9 and received A,K,Q spades every hand...oh and the famous A,J,9 hearts...which gave me 8 hearts just about every hand...1 of the aggravating things iz that your never playing offensively always defensively especially when your dealt the Qs every hand...if I get dealt the Qs with only 1 or 2 other spades I usually dump the game...lately the A,Q,J hearts has been my nemesis but I usually dump those games too...anyone notice that your weakest suit iz always lead 1st after the 1st hand? I have the A,K,10 diamonds and of course that's the 1st suit lead especially when I don't have the Qs...I've played games where spades aren't even thrown until I do it...stupid ms hearts...hate those jerks!
totally sux ms hearts just sux big time
Two bots in the 90s, I lead chosen bot by 20 pts. Hand #12 I'm given A,K,J,10,2 of clubs, A,K,Q of diamonds, A,Q of spades, A,K,2 of hearts. I'd like some expert to give me any scenario that doesn't end up with me taking 22-24 pts. and losing the lead. Just the odds of getting that hand, say in bridge, are astronomical much less at this juncture of a hearts game.
Yep, you are a bona fide genius Mr. Programer.
It's not even an hour since I posted last. I thought that hand was a real screw job. Just finished with this hand. I'm leading north by about 16-18 pts., two bots in the 70s-80s, I'm in the 20s. I hold 4,6,K of clubs, 3,4 of diamonds, 6,10 of spades, and 3,6,8,10,Q,K of hearts. I take 1st club trick with KC, lead back 10S. North takes it with JS and takes AH. North leads 2H, east plays AS, I play 3H, west plays QS. Yep, north held all six of the remaining hearts. Each time I lead, north takes the trick & leads a heart, I get 23 pts
eeericalI feel your pain my friend...the last few games I've playes were plagued with the famous A,K,J,8 hearts...must've gotten those cards like 10 times in 2 games...of course I can't get rid of any of them before 1 of the cheating bots breaks hearts and then the other cheating bots keep leading them...so I dumped the 1st game but won the 2nd..i think its hysterical how the bots, no matter what, will automatically lead your weakest suit to 1. make you take the Qs or 2. force 10 hearts on you! Another of my faves is, as you said, when 1 bot has all your losers but its a team effort in the end cause that bot gets the lead no matter what you do to prevent it! Cards change hands after you get rid of the initial 3 its the only way to xplain 1/2 these ridiculous hands...but I have won games where the cheating is out of control but usually I kill the game long before that!
I've started 7 games so far and been fed the QS on the first hand of each one, four times on the second trick. 3C, 4C, 5C (mine), QS. Have yet to play a second hand.
I find that eventually u will get a fair, or fair as fair can be with this crapola, game if u dump 10 or more. Do u find that if u kill hearts u will automatically get the Qs, that is if u don't all ready have it! And if u have the Q u'll get the A & K too boot! I played a game where I had every heart from 6 to the Ace, actually I've played many games where I've had the 6 to Ace of sum suit, and not only do I get the Qs but also eat 9 hearts! I just dump it and start again, my game my rules!
I completely crushed the bots the last 2 games I played...3 moon shots and not cause I planned it but cause I was dealt the worst hands imaginable and the cheating bots were so intent on winning that they out played themselves! Now I can't get a decent game no matter what. I've dumped like 18 games, either in the 1st hand or 10th hand it doesn't matter and I've been dealt the Qs every hand and the A,K, Qs prob 3/4 of those hands. This program can't help but cheat which just goes to show you the character of the dope that programmed it!
I cancelled the friggin statistics like 3 times and it goes rite back to the way it was...this stupid game is poison its friggin poison
I lost a game last night. This normally doesn't happen because I dump games I'm going to lose. Anyway, I got distracted and lost count on the last hand and lost by 1 pt. What fried my beans, though, was the bot that busted hit 100 on the nose. How many gdamn times do you see bots land (and stay) on 99 when YOU'RE ahead.
I don't have any idea how this would be programed into the game, but it sure as hell is. If 5% of the effort this bastard puts into cheating you actually went into making the game fair and competitive, they'd have a world class game.
Does anyone have any insight or a theory as to WHY the game is programed like it is? Is it some foreigner that knows nothing about hearts or cards in general thinking that winning pct. is the measure of competitiveness? Is it incompetence? arrogance? dishonesty?
I realize it would be very difficult to program a game with all the nuances of a true game of hearts between four skilled and knowledgable players. But this game misses the mark completely. First and foremost, in a real game, EVERY player is trying to win, not make a certain player lose so one of the other three can win. And it is NEVER, EVER acceptable to rig the deal to cause one player (you) to lose, and one player (the chosen one) to win.
I have long pondered the "why" question also. Ms programers seem to have a morbid fascination with "beating" the human. I play Chess Titans a fair amount. I had a nice win streak and was dominating a game when I mistakenly clicked on the wrong square to move my queen. I realized it instantaneously, but before I could do anything, the game was over and it was a draw, which, of course, in the MS world, ends your streak. I could "undo" and replay the move, but not change the stats....winning streak 0. Must be real important to someone at MS. Way more important than the customers satisfaction and enjoyment.
TO prove our point...and I called it before it happened..My hand consists of 2,3,4,6,8,10 hearts,3,5,6,7,8,9 diamonds J spades so u'd think it was an easy win well it wasn't! Now as I said I called this before a card was even thrown. SO after a few cards were thrown the 2 diamonds was lead the other bot had no diamonds and I got queened...couldn't even win with a 3! Now that's a new low...this had happened on a few occasions with a 4 but a 3? I find that I don't even have to play a hand to know what will happen all I have to do is look at what I'm dealt and I can tell u xactly whats gonna be thrown that's how pathetic this game is...
And another thing isn't it a little strange that most times when the bots force you to throw the A or K spades the bot to your left always, and I mean a 100% of the time, will have the Queen? Not only that the bots set u up for that little trick by letting the bot too the right win the trick every time...I just dump the game also dump whenever they pull the cutesy play now that's the worst...
To the poster who got shafted on the 3 of diamonds. Ain't it amazing what a great hunch the bot had to lead the 2D? Instead of leading a spade, which occurs 99+% of the time when YOU hold QS? Recently I was void in spades (which means there were 13 spades divided among three hands), spades were not led once that hand. Every suit I held was thoroughly pounded and I ended up with the queen (and did not get to shuck my high hearts on spade leads.
Oh yes my friend I've played games like that plenty of times...the bots set you up and as 1 of them keeps throwing 1 suit the other 2 are getting rid of your strong suit and you end up with the Q spades. The last 6 games I've played I ended up with the lone Qs at least 8 times and I dumped the games. My fave is when you have a pretty good lead and for maybe 3 hands in a row you take either 8-10 hearts, Qs, or both together and ya gotta dump it after like 9 hands that's when I wanna choke the DB that programmed this crappy game! I'm not sure what excuse ms could use for such blatant cheating I mean its programmed in the bots don't have minds their not taking it upon themselves to cheat!
Oh yes my friend I've played games like that plenty of times...the bots set you up and as 1 of them keeps throwing 1 suit the other 2 are getting rid of your strong suit and you end up with the Q spades. The last 6 games I've played I ended up with the lone Qs at least 8 times and I dumped the games. My fave is when you have a pretty good lead and for maybe 3 hands in a row you take either 8-10 hearts, Qs, or both together and ya gotta dump it after like 9 hands that's when I wanna choke the DB that programmed this crappy game! I'm not sure what excuse ms could use for such blatant cheating I mean its programmed in the bots don't have minds their not taking it upon themselves to cheat!
You get the feeling that the programer thinks we're all too stupid to notice the skewed odds of the "deals" in this game. Like drawing a singleton QS 3 or 4 times in 50 hands (over 1-in-1000 odds against). Or drawing all four aces (1-in-400 probability, according to a Bridge website) in 4 consecutive games. Or having a bot land on 99 pts. 5 out of 6 games (happened last night). I've played "local rules" games where hitting 100 exactly let you go back to 50 (or even zero). If those rules were in effect, I would bet the farm that bots would hit 100 nearly every game.
Previous poster is absolutely correct. The "bots" do nothing on their own, it's the human that wrote the program that is the dishonest, scum-sucking, miserable cheat.
I recently tried an interesting experiment. I started playing on my wife's computer, using a different nickname. I play kind of a "dumbed down" game. No passing to set up moon shots, playing low to avoid taking any points, even when it sets me up for disaster later on, almost always passing QS, etc. My win pct. is 41% and the game just does not do anywhere near as many blalant cheats as I get on my computer, where I dump games and maintain a 95% win pct. If I lose 3-4 games in a row, I'll likely get a game where I'll only see 2-3 face cards per hand and may get passed 3 small spades, etc. There is definitely a trigger to the "hyper-cheat" mode.
This is what really pisses me off...so I'm leading by like 16 points and ready to play the last hand and I get dealt the worst hand ever I mean I'm a good hearts player but there's no way in hell I was gonna make it out of this hand alive so I play till the 2nd to last card is thrown and had I not dumped the game I would of taken 22 points. Not only that I find I'm getting dealt the same hand 2 or 3 times in a row and you can bet these hands ARE NOT good. Honestly I can't believe how bad this game can get. If I'm not winning by at least 30 on the last hand I can count on almost losing cause once again I'll just dump it but that sux after playing 12 hands!
I don't mind losing when I don't play well but when I'm getting dealt hands where my lowest card is a 7 believe me I mind! Another thing I'm noticing more is when I have a hand where I may be able to pull off a moonshot 1 of those DB bots will break hearts on a hand I win so that 1 heart completely blows any moonshot dreams, its happened maybe 8 toms in the last 14 games I've dumped so far today..
I luv it! Best post so far! I also dump any game I feel I'm being cheated at which usually turns out to be at least 10-12 in a row on a good day! When I get 2 cutesy plays in a row, which has happened more often then not, I dump the game even if I'm winning that's how much it pisses me off! 5 & 9 of hearts is a classic double cutesy play and I call it the minute I'm dealt the hand...Now this can only mean that cards are shuffled around after the deal which is just the worst type of cheating ever!
A question for all you MS hearts players...how many games have you played EVER where you didn't have at least 1 high spade? Have had the 2, 3 shuffle take the Q of spades hand? Have had at least 1 cutesy hand? And the new 1 where your dealt the 2 & 5 of clubs and you have to throw the 2 to open then the bot leads back into clubs and the 3 & 4 are thrown and of course the other bot is void in clubs and you take the Q? Now this isn't knew by any means but I've just gotten around to complaining bout it! Happens mostly with clubs. How many hands have you played where the 7 of any suit is your lowest card? I consider myself a pretty good hearts player, have played since I was a kid and at times can fool the bots like taking the lead away from the bot that has all your losers or playing horrible at 1st then kicking butt when the bots aren't ready for it. Also the bots will try and beat you at any price which makes it a little easier too shoot the moon but then again you can only play what you're dealt and MS hearts ten to "tip" the deal in the bots favor but always remember its YOUR game, your rules...end of story!
5 out of 6 games, 1st hand, dealt QS and one spade. Passed queen (left), got AS and KS. Real subtle MS.
Two quick fixes would help this game. Number 1 - program it so the cutesy play is non-existant. I'll live with the 1-in-a-thousand chance it could lead to a moon shot. Number 2- eliminate the "no-pass" hand, just go left, right, across. This would be far from eliminating all the cheats programed into the game, but it would be a start. No-pass hands are notoriously used as a "just to even things up a bit" ploy. Give me a pass and I can find some wiggle room in most circumstances.
I wish, like most of us on this site, I knew why this game just insists on winning at any price. What does ms get out of it? I mean do they get $5 for every hand the bots win or something? Why program the game too cheat and I mean blatant cheating. I realize the game needs to be competitive but the whole gist of hearts is every man for himself not 3 against 1 and that's the very basic of all hearts rules. There is no way anyone who plays this game can say it doesn't cheat and we all have numerous "take for instances" to prove it. Yet again we continue to play and continue to complain so maybe that's their plan then to frustrate and captivate players who make it their lifes work to beat the bots. I know I'm 1 of the many who feel gratified every time I win. I guess we'll never know.
Last few games I've been winning by 1-2 points after, no lie, leading by 30 going into the 2nd to last hand...I have been dealt or passed the A,K,Q spades 8 out of 10 hands and the famous A,J,9 hearts at least 4 hands so the last 2 hands I'm taking 25-30 points. 1 game North or should I say piss head, that's what I named it, had every loser every hand which in a way helped me pull out the win since I just took it for granted it had all my losers every hand. In a way the game beats itself sometimes by trying to win every hand so I hold back and slide by at the end. Its a little better since I know every cheat it uses and I just do my best to play around it...either that or dump the game!
My last game is a perfect example of the horsesh*t that this game is. I shot the moon on the first hand. After six hands I had 10 pts., east had 34, and the other two bots were in the 80's. Next two hands are "shove it up your butt" deals (including lone QS on hand #8) and I'm setting on 43 pts. and trailing east by 6 pts.North is on 91 and takes QS on the 2nd trick of the next hand. I play the hand out and, of course. east takes zero points and I dump the game before playing my last card. Freaking unbelievable, but I've seen it so g-ddamn many times, I KNEW after hand #6 that I would get hosed - two bots in the 80's, one bot hanging around in striking distance, a couple "screw you" hands, and Mr.Programer can run upstairs and tell mommy he won. Seems to be mighty important to MS or the programer.
I was just about too post my last game which seems to be a mirror image of yours cept I was leading by more. 3rd too last hand I get 13 hearts dumped on me, 2nd too last hand I get lone A,K spades guess who took the Q & 6 hearts? Last hand I take 8 hearts. I'm finding that even if I want to play a ridiculously dealt hand I can't. I get a hand where my lowest and only lowest card is the 5 clubs which came with A,K clubs, A,K,Q,9 hearts and assorted high diamonds and spades but I didn't get the Q spades, like it made a difference! Also Any time I'm dealt high hearts every friggin bot leads back into hearts no matter what I throw so I take 8-10 hearts. Not 1 of those cheating bots has another suit to lead? Like I said before I don't even have to actually play the hand too know how its gonna go I've been thru it so many times. I find myself checking the scores every hand so I know when I have too dump the game!
I just played a game where I just randomly threw whatever really fast not paying attention to anything and pulled off 2 moonshots and won by 20. Now this is after dumping 14 games in a row! I said to myself who really cares if you win and I beat their a**! So the moral of this story just throw whatever, not paying attention at all and win!
Well, you guys are putting more effort into the actual numbers than I am...but regardless, I can guarantee you that, win percentage aside, the game plays like a 3-on-1 almost every game. You can still win usually, but it's still cheating...
After a while you can tell, without even throwing a card, how the game will go. I get dealt the same hand like 2-3 times a game so I'm pretty aware whats going on. Last game I was dealt the A,K,Q,10,9 of hearts. So I'm playing along knowing in my head how this is gonna work out and of course hearts isn't broken until all I have is hearts so I automatically take 13..easy to figure. A few hands back I played almost a whole hand before 1 spade was thrown but I could of told you that the minute I saw my hand. Another familiar cheat is when you have the 4 and six other cards of the same suit, you already know your gonna take the Q spades once the 2 of that suit is led and the next bot throws the 3 and the next bot is void and throws the Q spades...easy deduction. Another example when you have the 5 & 9 of hearts in your hand be prepared 2 eat 8 hearts on a couple of cutesy plays. Also my all time fave is when your forced by the bot on the right to throw the A or K of spades you can bet every penny you have in the bank that the bot too the left has the queen. So now instead of completely flipping out like I did when I 1st started playing I just shake my head and dump the game.
I have a 1st everybody! 4 cutesy plays in 1 hand! I honestly didn't think they still had a cheat I didn't know about! Wow they just keep on coming!
I have not been able to play a full game in 2 days. I have dumped games on the last hand. Take for instance the cards I was dealt on the no pass hand. K,Q,J,10 clubs, K,J,6,5 diamonds,K,J,10 spades,A,K hearts. WTF? I have been dealt the lone A,K,Q spades, A,K spades 2-3 times a game. If I'm not leading by at least 35 points going into the last hand I can pretty much count on dumping the game. I thought these games were suppose to be fun & relaxing? Instead I almost have a stroke every hand I'm dealt. Billion dollar cheaters that's what ms is.
On the probabilities of the "cutesy play". A buddy of mine who, is a stats nerd, told me that in bridge, the odds of each player holding one ace is 10.5% Substitute 2,3,4,5 of hearts for the four aces (four defined cards). Now, there is a one-in-four chance that a specific player holds the ace of spades (or 5 of hearts). So getting the cutesy should occur once every 35 to forty hands (3+ games). One caveat, we don't know if low hearts are being passed among the bots. If they are, I claim that is even worse cheating. Not many instances it makes sense to pass a low heart and also hang on to one.
Very true. Also how "probable" is it that the person to your left will always hold the Q spades when you are forced to throw the A or K? Or that you will be dealt the Q spades 8 out of 10 hands? Or that any time you have 1 loser while trying for a moonshot 1 of the other players will always hang on to your loser? I think its fair to say that the game is set up too win and it can when dealing the cards. There's only so much even a seasoned pro can do with certain hands. And you can bet your bottom dollar that if you are winning you will get dealt the lone Q spades or only 1 lowzy bot has all your losers. But the cutesy is the worst the very worst.
So the last hand I'm dealt I get the lone A,K spades so I trade them off and get the lone Q! Surprise! So I also have the 6 thru Q of hearts and of course 1 bot has my losers giving me 25 points. So I dump the game and the 1st hand of the new game gives me the A,K,J 10 clubs, K, Q,7,6 diamonds A,J,9 spades A,K hearts! I'm like who comes up with these hands? Random has absolutely nothing to do with it! I'm on my 16th game of the night having won 2 and dumping 14.
I am getting sooooo sick of this scenario. You play 6-8 hands, two bots pile up points and one bot kind of hangs around 15-20 points behind you. Now you get close to the end and all of a sudden you get 2 sh*t hands, pick up 30+ pts. and now you trail by 10-15 pts. and the next hand will bust one of the "suicide bots" Damn, I'm tired of dumping games on the 12th or 13th hand. It's nothing to have this exact pattern 5,6,8 games in a row.
I feel your pain. I posted the exact same statement last week. I'm watching these bots set me up its ridiculous! Right throws a suit left wins and needles you center leads a suit right wins and gets you again it would be laughable it weren't so frustrating. The bots desire to win is krazy! And there is no friggin way cards are not being shifted around after the deal too many "coincidences" for that scenario not to be true. Lately I'm being dealt crappy hand after crappy hand like there's no way to play them so I dump it. Any time I catch the Q spades 1st hand I automatically dump it. Also "hoover" bot is out of control sucking up most of the books while the other 1 or 2 get practically nothing. SO another tip if you are losing by more than say 15 at any given time dump the game you'll never catch up fast enough to win.
I don't think I've ever played a hand without having being dealt or passed either the A,K,Q spades, lately its the lone A,K spades I end up with. Right off the bat your playing defensively cause you really don't have a choice...I had the Q spades and 5 other spades lo and behold only 1 bot had spades and of course got the lead every turn and forced the Q. Did the programmer have a clue how hearts is played? maybe he did and that's why he came up with so many ways to cheat.
TRIED to play this morning. First hand of first try I get dealt K,Q of spades. Pass both, get AS passed to me. East takes trick one, leads a spade, my ace takes the queen (I also hold A,K,4 of hearts). Dumped game before I see how that plays out.
Second try, first hand. Second trick, 3C led, I play 4C, followed by KH, QS. Dump.
Third try. Dealt void in spades, get passed the queen. Dump.
unfreakingbelievable
I dump at least 30 games a night. 1 hand I'm dealt 9 spades including A, K, Q along with the A,K,Q of hearts! The cheating is just getting worse I'm dumping games on the 2nd too last hand. Find I'm being dealt the lone Q spades or the lone A, K 2-3 times a game. God forbid I try to kill high hearts. For example I kill A,K hearts end up with Q,J hearts and Q of spades. Constantly being dealt crappy hearts so I take maybe 8 a game. Also finding that no matter what my weak suit is 1 of those bots has it and leads it constantly. I never get dealt low clubs cept for the 2 so clubs r led and instead of heading into spades they keep on with clubs till I take the Qs! Sadly all I have to do is look at my hand and I can call the whole game without throwing a card! Not really fun just annoying.
First hand of first game tonight. I'm dealt 2,3,5 of clubs, A,3,4 of diamonds, 2.3,4,5,8 of spades, K,Q of hearts. I pass KH, QH, AD. I'm passed KS, QS, AH. After first club trick, spades are led twice with eight spades falling, leaving me with the remaining five. Clubs are led twice, then diamonds are led twice with a heart falling on the second diamond (of course). Is there any doubt hearts are led back? My ace wins and now I hold the remaining five spades. I would have taken 25 pts. had I not dumped the game. Will not be playing anymore tonight, don't want a smashed computer and a stroke going into turkey day.
I can completely agree and sympathize. I can't tell how many times cards are placed exactly where they need to be to screw you. I just played a game where I was ahead by eight points with one bot on 99 (sound familiar?) and another on 97. To my delight I ended up with A & two small clubs, K & three small diamonds, two small spades and 4,6,9,10 of hearts. I took trick #1 and led a spade. Diamonds were led back and I held by breath as I chanced the king and took the trick with no damage. I led my second spade and stuck one of the high bots with the queen, busting him. I thought I was home free, the only thing that could screw me was hearts to be bunched in one hand (hint, hint). I think a club was led and hearts were broken. 2H led, I played 4H, followed by 3H and a club. I led back 6H, followed by 5H, slough, slough. I led a club which was taken by the bot with the hearts. Back comes 7H taken by my 10. I lead a diamond, which, of course is taken by the bot with the hearts. Here comes 8H covered with my 9 7 I've taken 9 pts. and trail by 1. Eleven tricks into the thirteenth hand and I have to dump the game. No one can ever convince me this is "bad luck" or "just the way the cards fall". This sh*t happens on a regular basis and I KNOW the program is placing hands that will give the human enough points to lose.
I've played hearts for over 40 years and I can probably count on my fingers the number of times I've seen someone trailing by 24 or 25 pts. shoot the moon to pull out the miracle win, but I saw it three times in about 15 games the other night. BULLSH*T!!! The PEOPLE behind this game are dishonest stinking cheats.
Here's a very simple test for any doubters out there. The most basic logic tells you the odds of being dealt one, specific card are EXACTLY THE SAME as being dealt a different specific card. Keep track of how many times you're dealt 2H or QS. Taking that a step further. The odds of being dealt one of three specific cards are EXACTLY THE SAME as being dealt one of three different specific cards. Keep track of how many hands you're dealt 2,3,or 4 of hearts compared to A,K,or Q of spades.
Anyone who has played at all can tell you that being dealt the low hearts is generally condusive to having a lower score, while drawing high spades usually is not. If you are being dealt more of the "bad cards" than the "good" ones, the program (and programer) is CHEATING.
Any time you r dealt a low hand beware! 1 of thise stinkin bot will shoot the moon simply cuz you can't stop them. I've sat there and watched a bot shoot the moon. Now their throwing hearts and the other bots will not beat them. 1 bot even thru the A hearts at the end and I'm like you had the A and didn't throw it! If it was me 1 of those jerks would've had the 10 hearts to take the last book with! Just now I dumped 20 games in a row cuz I was dealt the A,K,Q spades every 1st hand. The last few games I've played I'm being dealt A,J,9 hearts or Q,J,10,9 hearts which of course means I'm gonna swallow 8-13 hearts a game. I played 1 whole game where spades wasn't led till the 2nd to last hand and I don't even have to tell you that I didn't have the Q that game! Pure, ugly cheating is what I call it.
If anything ms is insulting our intelligence, can you imagine being worth 72 billion dollars, a supposed genius but letting this hearts game on the market? I suggest boiling the programmer in hot oil or better yet having him sit & play this game over & over until they get a fair game...
This is absolutely ridiculous. I have been dealt a lone QS five times in the last 7 or 8 games (no more than 100 hands, also gotten AS twice as a loner & KS once. Four of the five singleton QS have been on no-pass hands (a one-in-four) odds in itself.
A stats geek buddy of mine says a lone QS on a no-pass hand is better than 1000 to 1 against, so five times in less than 100 has to be millions to one. Throw into the mix that a lone QS is by far the most detrimental card you can draw and the chances are next to impossible, unless you've got a cheating douchebag like the MS hearts programer. What an anus.
It doesn't matter its all cheating. The game isn't fun its friggin annoying. I just dumped 22 games in a row. Any time I had a decent hand the next 2 hands clobbered me so now I just dump but still can't get anywhere near a fair game. Kudos MS for creating the most insulting game in the universe. Rot in hell.
Is it so freaking impossible to have a true "random" deal? If it is, then can anything that is supposedly "random" be trusted" Lotteries, gaming sites, sweepstakes, etc.. Or is all of it based on the whims and honesty of a programer?
If the despicable cheat that programed MS Hearts is any indication, why would anyone trust anything with "computer generated" odds?
I've dumped a # of games cuz my lowest card has been an 8 on the 1st deal or I'm getting A,K spades either lone or with 1 other spade. Another trick is getting dealt K,Q,J,10,9 hearts...now of course I don't get dealt the ace cuz then I could try for a moonshot..hearts r broken on the 2nd hand and I take 13 hearts. DB that's what I think of the programmer big fat DB. Most annoying game on the planet is what ms hearts is.
I have played at least a 1000 games and I would have to say I've maybe had 5 hands in all those games where I wasn't dealt sum form of the A,K,Q spades. I never play offensively cuz I always have a lone A,K,Q spades or the A,K or the K,Q etc. and whenever I have 1 of those cards and 1 or 2 other spades the bot to the right always gains the lead and I get 13 points. That's the only way I ever take the Q spades. I honestly can't play 1 hand w/o 1 of those cards. Someone please figure out how many times in a real game that would happen? I'm sure it isn't as often as the ms game.
A friend and I started an experiment with MS hearts. We both started playing under different accounts on our computers. I'm dumping games, playing to win 'em all, while he's playing a dumbed down version (basically like the bots play) no targeting, drop the QS first chance you get, never take a heart you aren't forced to(even to stop a moonshot), pass QS always, etc. We've both played over 100 games. I'm winning 97% and he's at 40%. He surmises that, by him not targeting the low score, the "chosen one" thing justs eats him up. He's had the "chosen one" finish the game in single digits nearly a dozen times.
Here's what's interesting. He draws way more "normal" hands than I do, getting dealt low hearts or high spades at a rate fairly close to normal odds (he's been dealt QS as a loner once, me 14 times). However. if he wins two or three games in a row, he starts getting the "cheats". too. I know the sample size is relatively small, but I'm pretty well convinced winning at an above normal rate triggers the "cheat mode". I don't believe for a second that the deal is "random". I believe there are a certain number of hands (probably millions) programed into the game and, based on your winning, the program "gives" you tougher (or impossible) hands to make the game "comptitive". And in the programer's world, "competitive" means a certain winning pct. or wins in a row.
I understand what your saying but if you think about it most people play to win therefore your constantly bein cheated...there's no way you can explain away being dealt A,K,Q spades in some manner every hand or winning 1 hand and getting murdered the next 2. If I'm not leading by 30 points going into the last hand I'm gonna lose its just what it is...its cheating..I understand the computer has to win a certain amount of games but being set up most hands by the 3 bots is cheating that's not what hearts is about if they couldn't figure out another way to do it then they should've passed on creating a hearts game...simple
Believe me, friend, I don't mean to argue. Everyone may TRY to win, but their skill or experience level limits their chances. I think that some of the people who "doubt" the cheating built into the game, may play at a level (win %) that doesn't trigger the "hyper-cheat" mode as much as player who wins more often (or builds a win pct. by dumping losing games.) This convinces me that "hands" are programed into the game rather than cards just being randomly dealt.
It's like I host a game at my house. Before everyone arrives, I "stack" a number of other decks to to hose "Bob". Whenever I get the whim, I substitute one of the stacked decks to be dealt "as is". "Ah gee, Bob got the cutesy play". "Tough luck, Bob, drawing a lone QS." "Who would have thought TWO hands would be void in diamonds and Bob would take the QS with the trey?"
See what I mean?
Continuing on my "hose Bob" plan. The beauty of it is I'll be able to see what I need to do to old Bob as the game goes along. If one of my co-conspirators is leading, just let it ride. If Bob starts catching up. BAM!, double cutesy. If Bob gets a 30-point lead, grab him by the scruff of the neck and bash his face into a couple spade queens in a row.
I'm no genius and certainly don't have the speed and capacity of a computer, but some fairly quick and easy card stacking will ensure Bob has a very bad night.
empsuesI agree completely...how many times can I get dealt the same hand in a row? I just dumped a game where I was dealt A,K,Q spades 4 hands in a row nit to mention ridiculous hearts...no one has spades so hearts is broken on the 2nd hand and I take 13 hearts. I had a hand where I had all red cept the 8 spades and not 1 black card was thrown till 3/4 of the way thru....seriously? Oh and don't forget the old 1 bot has all my losers and wins every hand so he can keep getting me thru out the game...so many ways to cheat & ms has thought of most of them...the cutesy is the worst tho even worse then a lone Q spades and when it happens to u twice in 1 hand....
23 dumped hands and every 1 of them handed me the A,K,Q spades along with the A,J,10,9 hearts had 5 hands with those 7 cards. Also at least 10 hands with the A,K,Q clubs. I get so many high cards I would have to be able to kill at least 8 cards for a decent hand. If I kill hearts I get high spades or if I already have all the high spades I get high of whatever suit. I've even killed good cards just to see if what I get is different...it isn't. The 3 cards I'm gonna get stink no matter what I kill.
So I've been dealt A,K spades the last 18 hands...no kidding. Of course Mr Right always somehow gets the lead and of course Mr. Left always has the Q. I seriously want to choke the programmer of this horse sh** game.
I played "real" hearts last weekend. We played 10 games. I took notes.
> I was dealt singleton QS zero times. Lone KS once, lone AS once (neither on a "hold 'em" hand)
> I got the "cutesy play" twice.
> Somebody landed on 99 points once.
> I was dealt QS 34 times, 2H 32 times.
> My lowest heart was 2, 3, or 4 81 times (out of approx. 120 hands).
Sound ANYTHING like the horsesh*t you see with MS Hearts?
Got up, put the coffee on, flip through the news, sent a couple of season's greetings e-mails and decided to enjoy a couple relaxing games of hearts. Very first hand I have what looks to be a fairly innocuous hand. 2,5 of clubs, two small diamonds, Ace of spades plus 5 more, all below the 10, and K,J,2 of hearts (a little worrisome). Lead the 2C, East wins the trick (same old same old) and leads back 3C. I played 5C, followed by 4C and BAM!, the QS. End up taking 8 hearts with the K,J for 21 points. Dump the game, decide today's not the day I throw my computer through the kitchen window, gonna see what 60's sitcom is on Nick.
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